Benchrest in Canada
BR News => BRSC - Benchrest Shooters Canada => Topic started by: Mike Darlow on August 10, 2010, 05:45:18 PM
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Hey Rick, would it be possible to get a sticky post with all the Canadian Benchrest Records On it.
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This is my most recent copy of BRSC records, somebody else will have to post the SORSA records:
BRSC 2006 Records (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/canadian_records.pdf)
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Not a whole lot of records were broken. I'll check with Paul and see if he has a more current book.
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I do have something more current. I will e-mail it to Rick.
Calvin
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Thanks to Calvin here is the BRSC 2009 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC2009Records.pdf)
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Here is the updated record book. Now including a record from Ted Gaillard and Mike Darlow. Well done gents!
Now print a copy to keep in your tool box!
BRSC 2010 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC_Records_2010.pdf)
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Bill the match has to be registered with Paul Ross in Alberta and the individual MUST be a member of BRSC. Things are not as STRICT as in the NBRSA in regards to target handling and who sends them. Honor system and matches are small.
If a potential record is shot, the targets are signed by the scorer and 2 ref's, or 3 ref's. They are, or should be checked to make sure the backers have 5 holes and all looks in order. If there happens to be a member of the scoring commitee at the shoot he will take the targets and begin the process. If not they are sent to Paul Ross the Chair and it goes from there. The targets must be recieved by Paul if sent, NO LATER than 30 days.
Paul Ross is the chair and scorer, Herb Lang is SK, and Grant Schick in MB.
There are some SMALL records and there are some that appear large but have not been broke in a long time.
Hope this helps.
Calvin
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Bill, great questions you have there. I am the least likely person to answer for you but this is my take on BRSC Canadian records. Some people MAY or WILL NOT like my take on the matter but it is what it is. The information I pass on is all hearsay and my OWN personal opinion. I am also going to get as much info that I can from Paul Ross the current records chair.
I have heard a lot about the past and records. Some of it is good and other parts of it bad. I do not want to have to type what I have all heard. This is no different than the feuds of the past between the East and the West which is hearsay. What is in the past is in the past. What we need to do is to MOVE forward.
The question is do we want to see the sport grow or not? I have yet to meet a Canadian shooter whom I royally dislike. We all have our own personalities and feuds within this small community here in Canada. There are those like myself who want to see it grow and there are those who really could give a rats A++. I understand those peoples side as well. Part of that reasoning is issues of the past. Until we let those go I really feel BRSC is destined to go nowhere. We will have a local shoots but that will be it. I think you understand what I am getting at.
Getting back to the BRSC Records the same can be said for them. They are what they are. We cannot change or contest the records that are in place, when they were held (night shoots), or how the measuring committee handled them. Again we can move forward from what is in place. There are some small ones but a lot of them are really NOT that impressive. We know there are a lot of possible records which were never submitted because of the past issues. Take a look at the Selkirk range records. There are some nice ones there. Possibly nothing that cannot be beat but that could have been possible Canadian records.
There has been debate about the International Records. I did not realize until I got looking at the current updated ones and what the controversy is about. I thought a Canadian International was only for a Canadian shooting in the US. Wrong. I see American shooters names on that list. Jerry Siminson for example (not sure of spelling). So in fact the past was that the Canadian International records went both ways. Not what I expected or the way I would like to see it. My take is a Canadian International Record should be for Canadians and an International record for those who are not.
The next issue has been and that is the ability to get the target backers from a US shoot. In most cases pretty tough. Bill has said it is do able but you must remember that Bill Gammon has been shooting in the US much longer than Calvin who? If we are looking at keeping International Records things need to be looked at how to make it work without a lot of hassle. My take is forget the backers. Have the target signed by the official scorer and someone to witness the signing. This is where TRUST becomes an issue as to whether or not the targets will be tampered with by the shooter. How does one make it work today? We are so much more capable of ways today than there were in the past.
To finalize, the way it is today whoever is submitting a Canadian International record they should be a member of BRSC in good standing.
I really feel BRSC can succeed. What we need are the people in place who are willing to work at it and work together. It is long overdue that the ground rules be clarified and or re established. Those who do not like it do not have to be a part of it. Yes we are small, but if we set the rules, the rules are the rules. You do not like it you do not have to register your shoots or be a part of BRSC.
This is just a few of my thoughts. I think we need to keep this discussion moving to see if there is something worth having. I know there are a lot of people who DO NOT want involvement in the politics of the BRSC. They just want to shoot. Well I just want to shoot as well. It is easy to not be involved and shoot well but just wait till the day I am involved (oh I am) and can KICK SOME AS+++. I do not need to be involved in helping the Selkirk guys run their matches but I love shooting this game and I will do my part to make it enjoyable for myself and others. We must remember again we are a small group and someone has to do it. We have to check our egos at the door and NOT POUT about it. Forget about making fools of ourselves in front of others. I have done it and do it daily. Look at BR Central and the stupid things I say. They may be stupid at times but I will ADMIT my faults.
This is a start to what I hope is a CONSTRUCTIVE discussion.
Calvin
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BRSC Records talk again from Cal’s point of view.
I am waiting to hear from Paul in regards to more info. Does anyone know if there was a step by step process put in place for records? Or is this like a lot of what I feel BRSC has been based on, running by the seat of our pants? I am talking documentation. If so it is time to change that. If BRSC is to function and the BRSC Records function a paper trail is required.
The people who started BRSC are either unfortunately dead or not involved in the sport any more. This is not meant to take away what they have accomplished but the GREY AREAS are overwhelming in regards to BRSC. Dennis Sorensen is still around but has not been involved in BR for many years. I do not know the influences of the few people who shot last year who have shot back in the day. People like Ted Gaillard, Herb Lang, Gerry Bourgault, Wayne Miller, Paul Ross, Grant Schick, Murray Benson etc, etc.....
I would like to think there is a NEW generation of BR shooters now. No, THERE IS a new generation of shooters. To a few of us the BRSC Records MEAN something as is the chance to win an Aggregate or Grand Aggregate followed by a 2 Gun Win. The current records are held by individuals who took the time to submit their targets for scrutiny by the Records committee. I am not trying to take away what they have accomplished. I have had a few phone calls and private discussions on this and what has come to light is Joe Mendham and Wayne Miller hold many records. From the little I know about Joe and Wayne if you talk to them about their accomplishments they are pretty humble about them. It is no big deal is the sense I get.
Many of those records may NEVER be broke as the different classes are not shot anymore. Unfortunately the following in BR is just not there to hold all those shoots. What is our CORE group of shooters? Those willing to travel? I think we need to concentrate our efforts on what we presently shoot. In other words I feel we need to grandfather more of the BRSC Records for the history books. They will still be there for the future shooters to enjoy.
We need to standardize the process and have that process in writing. I hate to say it but BRSC has been to quiet lately and it is either time to shake it up or ship it out. I for one am willing to put time and effort into it even if I have to be Prosecutor, Judge and Jury. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I will do my best to contribute.
Time to start work on another trigger and get ready for a day full of hockey and Nascar.
Calvin
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Bill You're absolutely correct, I agree with everything you've said.
This time.
Joe
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Mike, Bill basically answered it all.
Like I said there is a new generation of shooters coming up. If we want this to work we ALL have to work together. Open conversation today is the easiest it has ever been with telephone, cells and I-net. The problem lies in the small numbers. NO one wants to upset a fellow shooter as they are scared to offend them for reasons they may quit. We cannot afford that. We need to RESET the ground rules for members and the clubs and we MUST FOLLOW those rules. If not it WILL NOT WORK. We know there is reluctance to change but we must SUCK IT UP. If anyone or any club does not want to be part of it then so be it.
There is more interest in this sport than there has been in years. I for one have called the old guard in Ted Gaillard, Herb Lang to name a few, egging them on to shoot one last match. To introduce themselves to the new shooters personally. What did they do? Shot 3 and 2 matches respectively. I loved every minute of seeing them at the shoots last year and look forward to seeing them this year. I may have not been the reason they shot but I know I reached out.
Rick starting up this site has contributed to the sport moving forward. Just pay attention to how many quests visit as well as those who have signed up. Yes they may not be die hards but they drop in on occasion. There is valuable information that can be shared amongst us. I do know that my decisions will be based on those people and clubs who embrace the growth. It is going to take time. There is some work to do but not a lot. When it is set in place I think we will something else to look forward to.
Calvin
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Mike to add a bit more to what you said about how we get more clubs to join.
It is going to take work. It is NO small task. The Geographic structure of our country makes it very difficult. The key part is going to be communication. We as individuals are going to have to step up to promote the sport locally in our own Provinces or local clubs. You have started with Lethbridge to get that rolling again.
How do we get the Local clubs that hold shoots to join BRSC or register matches? That is the challenge. Look at your score league for example, Are the people willing, better yet, have the equipment that will into a category that would fit a sanctioned BRSC match? A lot of clubs have shoots but we need to figure out how to sell the idea.
Many people look at this site and are reluctant to post thoughts or ideas. Without these thoughts or ideas it can be trying.
I love this sport and wish I were able to play the game more than I do. It is my passion, hobby, life, etc. etc. I eat, breath, and sleep Benchrest. I am not the most knowledgeable in the game but I try to absorb what I can about it. Shovelling snow will wait if ithas to do with this game.
I will admit that at times my daughter is put on the back burner. Am I proud? No. I know she understands what this sport means to me and I was fortunate to convey it to her on her level when she was little. I guess what I am trying to say is that either people want it badly or they do not?
This has been a little off topic but I will get to what I wanted to post.
I just wanted to inform everyone that I am working to the best of the information I have in front of me to compile a running history of the BRSC Records. I believe I have been able to start back from around 1971. Thanks Bill for the discs. I am loving seeing some of the items that were published in the old BRSC News. I am up to about 1975. I am doing it on Excel right now just to compile the data and when I get it to where it can get put up, it will happen.
If anyone has anything in regards to records of the past or more recent PLEASE let me know. I know there is a spell where BRSC went stagnent. Anyone know what that time period was? This will make it easier for me to not get to caught up in looking for information through those years.
Later,
Calvin
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I had a typo on a couple of items on the 2010 Records. I updated the current records with the corrections. Things became evident doing the records thru the years.
I will have to update the miniature cards as well.
Calvin
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Updated 2011 record book is now posted.
Now print a copy to keep in your tool box!
BRSC 2011 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC_Records_2011.pdf)
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I have had a few emails in regards to the BRSC Records Procedure. The draft was discussed in short detail this past year at the AGM. There needs to be a few things tweaked with it. I want to have this resolved at the AGM in Rosebud and implemented this year.
So it would be great if those interested individuals could take a moment and review the procedure that I had outlined. My plans are to discuss this with the Selkirk guys in May and I am going to ask if Rick would review with the Rosebud gang at the shoot to make this happen at the AGM.
I will post the few concerns that have been brought about in the next little while.
Thanks for your time.
Calvin
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Updated record book.
BRSC 2012 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC_Records_2012.pdf)
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Updated File:
BRSC Record Submission Form (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSCRecordSubmissionForm.pdf)
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Updated record book.
BRSC 2013 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC_Records_2013.pdf)
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It is official, we have a bunch of records back from the scoring committee. Thanks to Paul Ross, Dan Opel and Joe Mendham for getting us caught up on the records!
Certificates to go out to the following for breaking the Canadian records:
Rob Seemann UNL 5-shot 100 yards .092" shot at Rosebud June 13, 2015
Rob Seemann UNL 5-Shot 200 yards .252" shot at Rosebud June 14, 2015
Hugh Williamson UNL 5-Shot 200 Aggregate .1998" shot at Rosebud Jun 14, 2015
The following were shot at Holton at the NBRSA Nationals in 2014 and will receive Certificates for breaking the Canadian International Records:
Hugh Williamson UNL 10-Shot 200 yards .356"
Hugh Williamson HV 5-shot 100 yards .054"
Rick Pollock HV Grand Aggregate 100+200 .2431"
Rick Pollock SP Grand Aggregate 100+200 .2557"
Rick Pollock 2-Gun LV+HV 100+200 .2481"
The following 2 Canadian International Records were also set at Holton. Note the NBRSA shoots 8 targets at each yardage in UNL. As these targets broke the 5 target Canadian International Records the scoring committee decided to issue new records in the 8 target category to avoid combining 5 target and 8 target aggregates. These are only contested at the NBRSA Nationals.
Hugh Williamson UNL 8x10 200 Yards Aggregate .2833"
Rick Pollock UNL 8x10 Grand Aggregate 100+200 .3186"
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Record book to be updated in due course and posted online.
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Well done to all the new record setters.
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Updated record book.
BRSC 2015 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC_Records_2015.pdf)
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It was a great year for record setting by our Canadian Shooters while traveling in the USA. The record committee is pleased to confirm the following records were set in 2016, all in the category of Canadian International Records. Congratulations to all our hard working shooters. And a round of thanks to the record committee of Paul Ross, Dan Opel and Joe Mendham. New Records as follows:
Robert Seemann .077" in Light Varmint 100 yard individual group
Hugh Williamson .221" in Sporter 200 yard individual group
Dave Holmes .186" in Unlimited 100 yard 10 shot individual group
Andy Laidlaw .2080" in Light Varmint 100 yard aggregate
Hugh Williamson .1731" Sporter 200 yards aggregate
Hugh Williamson .2326" Sporter 100/200 grand aggregate
Hugh Williamson .2522" 3-Gun LV/HV/SP 100/200 yard grand aggregate
Hugh Williamson .2686" Unlimited 200 yard 10 Shot 8 Target Aggregate
Hugh Williamson .2936" Unlimited 100/200 yard 10 Shot 8 Target Aggregate
Updated 2016 Record. Please print and keep a copy in your toolbox.
BRSC 2016 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC_Records_2016.pdf)
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The year keeps getting better for BRSC shooters! I am pleased to note the follow additional records have been approved by the scoring committee:
BRSC Canadian International Records:
Hugh Williamson .1714" Heavy Varmint 200 Yard Aggregate
Hugh Williamson .2052" Heavy Varmint 100/200 Yard Grand Aggregate
Hugh Williamson .2341" LV/HV 2-Gun Grand Aggregate
Lloyd Miller .1946" Light Varmint 100 Yard Aggregate
BRSC Canadian Record
Rick Pollock .1818" Unlimited 5-Shot 100 Yard Aggregate
Congratulations to all the shooters , and judging by the workload the scoring committee is going through at the moment, I expect we will see a few more records awarded in 2017.
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congratulations guys!
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Not done yet for 2017!
Here are some additional records set by BRSC Shooters in 2017, and still some more possible records in the hands of the records committee.
Well done to Peter and Wayne:
August 19, 2017 Canadian International Record Peter Smith LV 100 Yard .1702"Aggregate
August 19, 2017 Canadian International Record Peter Smith HV 100 Yard .1914" Aggregate
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Wayne Miller Unlimited 10-Shot 100 Yard Group .163"
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Wayne Miller Unlimited 10-Shot 200 Yard Group .340"
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Wayne Miller 8 Target Unlimited 10-Shot 100 Yard .2313" Aggregate
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Wayne Miller 8 Target Unlimited 10-Shot 200 Yard .2587" Aggregate
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Wayne Miller 8 Target Unlimited 10-Shot 100/200 Yard Grand Aggregate .2450"
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The last of the 2017 possible record targets have been scored, and the results are in. On behalf of the Records Committee I am pleased to announce the following records have been broken:
September 9, 2017 Canadian Record Hugh Williamson
LV 200 Yard .2011" Aggregate
September 19, 2017 Canadian International Record Lloyd Miller
Sporter 100 Yards .1920" Aggregate
September 19, 2017 Canadian International Record Lloyd Miller
Sporter 100 Yards 5-Shot Group .081"
October 8, 2017 Canadian International Record Dave Holmes
LV 200 Yards .2098" Aggregate
October 8, 2017 Canadian International Record Dave Holmes
LV 100/200 Yards .2233" Grand Aggregate
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
8 Target Unlimited 10-Shot 100 Yards .2021" Aggregate
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
8 Target Unlimited 10-Shot 200 Yards .2492" Aggregate
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
8 Target Unlimited 10 Shot 100/200 Yards .2256" Grand Aggregate
September 23, 2017 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unlimited 10-Shot 100 Yard Group .137"
August 19, 2017 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unlimited 10-Shot 100 Yards .2410" Aggregate
August 19, 2017 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unlimited 10-Shot 200 Yards .2939" Aggregate
August 19, 2017 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unlimited 10-Shot 100/200 Yards .2645" Grand Aggregate
Congratulations to Hugh, Lloyd and Dave for a job well done. We will print up certificates shortly and get them off to the Record Breakers.
The updated record book can be found here: BRSC 2017 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC_Record_Book_2017.pdf)
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BRSC Shooters have re-writtenthe record book in 2018. Numerous records have been broken. Let me be the first to congratulate the shooters below for their new records! Certificates will be issued, and in the case of records broken by multiple shooters on the same day, only the lowest record will be entered in the record book. Thanks to our record committee for their tireless work: Paul Ross, Joe Mendham, Dan Opel! The record book has been updated and I will post that shortly.
2018 BRSC RECORDS
CANADIAN RECORDS
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Rick Pollock
Unlimited 200 Yards 5-Shot .1836" Aggregate
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Rick Pollock
Unlimited 200 Yards 5-Shot .194" Group
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Rick Pollock
Unl. 100/200 Yards 5-Shot .1879 Grand Aggregate
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Rick Pollock
Unlimited 100 Yards 10-Shot .2456" Aggregate
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Rick Pollock
Unlimited 200 Yards 10-Shot .2340" Aggregate
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Rick Pollock
Unl. 100/200 Yards 10-Shot .2398" Grand Aggregate
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Rick Pollock
Unlimited 200 Yards 10-Shot .367" Group
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Robert Seemann
Unlimited 200 Yards 10-Shot .2432" Aggregate
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Robert Seemann
Unlimited 200 Yards 10-Shot .377" Group
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Wayne Miller
Unlimited 100 Yards 5-Shot .1774" Aggregate
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Wayne Miller
Unlimited 200 Yards 10-Shot .334" Group
June 10, 2018 Canadian Record Vic Edmunds
Unlimited 200 Yards 10-Shot .2891" Aggregate
Aug 18/19 2018 Canadian Record Rodney Brown
LV + HV 2-Gun .2236" Grand Aggregate
CANADIAN INTERNATIONAL RECORDS
May 5, 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
LV 200 Yards .2013" Aggregate
May 5, 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
LV 100/200 Yards .2074" Grand Aggregate
May 5, 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
LV/HV 100/200 Yards 2-Gun .2131" Grand Aggregate
May 5 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
LV 200 Yards .1970" Aggregate
June 9/10 2018 Canadian International Record Peter Smith
LV 100 Yards .1592" Aggregate
June 9/10 2018 Canadian International Record Peter Smith
HV 100/200 Yards .1774" Grand Aggregate
June 9/10 2018 Canadian International Record Peter Smith
LV + HV 2-Gun .2162" Grand Aggregate
Aug 13-18 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unlimited 100 Yard 5x10 Shot .2396" Aggregate
Aug 13-18 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unlimited 200 Yard 5x10 Shot .2598" Aggregate
Aug 13-18 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unlimited 100/200 5x10 Shot .2497" Grand Aggregate
Aug 13-18 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unlimited 200 Yard 10 Shot .300" Group
Aug 13-18 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Sporter 100/200 Yd. .2279" Grand Aggregate
Sept 1 2018 Canadian International Record Lloyd Miller
LV 100 Yards .060" Group
Sept 10-15 2018 Canadian International Record Rick Pollock
Sporter 100 Yards .1692" Aggregate
Sept 10-15 2018 Canadian International Record Bill Mitchell
LV 100 Yards .1564" Aggregate
Sept 10-15 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Sporter 100/200 Yd. .1925" Grand Aggregate
Sept 10-15 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
SP, LV, HV 3-Gun .2090" Grand Aggregate
Sept 10-15 2018 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
Unl. 200 Yd. 10 Shot .336" Group
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The updated record book can be found here: BRSC 2018 Record Book (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/BRSC_Record_Book_2018.pdf)
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Some great shooting by BRSC members once again in 2019! The records committee confirmed the following records were set this year!
Sept 8, 2019 Canadian Record Trevor Pfaff
LV 200 Yards .1976" Aggregate
Sept 8, 2019 Canadian Record Mark Dumont
LV 200 Yards .1896" Aggregate
Sept 7-8, 2019 Canadian Record Hugh Williamson
LV 100/200 Yds .2159" Grand Aggregate
Sept 7-8, 2019 Canadian Record Hugh Williamson
LV+HV 2-Gun .2110" Grand Aggregate
Looks like there are a few more possible records at the scoring committee, once we have those back I will send certificates and update the record book.
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Addiitonal Records for 2019;
May 26, 2019 Canadian Record Vic Edmunds
UNL 200 Yards .333" 10-Shot Group
May 26, 2019 Canadian Record Rick Pollock
UNL 200 Yards .167" 5-Shot Group
May 26, 2019 Canadian Record Vic Edmunds
UNL 100 Yards .080" 5-Shot Group
June 28, 2019 Canadian International Record Hugh Williamson
LV 100 Yards .1414" Aggregate
Congratulation to all the Record Breakers in 2019!
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Please see attached and updated record book for 2019.
Rick
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I am pleased to advise the following shooters that the BRSC Record Committee has awarded each of them the following records in 2020:
Sept. 13, 2020 Canadian Record Dwayne Cyr
HV 100 Yards 250 21X Score
Aug. 15, 2020 Canadian Record Tyler Edmunds
HV 100 Yards .1788" Aggregate
Aug. 2, 2020 Canadian Record Hugh Williamson
HV 200 Yards .1857" Aggregate
Congratulation to each Shooter, well done!
Rick
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Congrats Gents!
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Way to go guys. Was fortunate to be at 2 of the matches where records were shot. Tyler's at Selkirk and Dwayne's at Kenora. It was something to watch and see.
You guys deserved them.
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Maybe it will our turn next time, one can always hope.
Congratulations guys, on some fine shooting.
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Thanks to BRSC for existing. Thanks to those who stepped up in leadership roles and have taken a dormant organization and breathed new life into it so we have a venue for our shooting accomplishments.
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Attached below is the 2020 BRSC Record Book. Congratulations to everyone who set a record in 2020.
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Dennis,
For clarity, I expect it will "stand" forever. There hasn't been a registered match where you shoot the hunter class rifles at a group target in probably 25 years or more! Those "score rifles shot for group" records were retired a few years ago, since they hadn't been contested in so long, and they are not a recognized class anywhere else, it was a Namaka specific thing as far as I know.
Until Dwayne Cyr came along and hosted a registered score shoot at Kenora in 2020, BRSC had not had a registered score shoot in 15 years. Kudos to Dwayne for organizing that shoot, and hopefully the start of the return of registered score shoots in the BRSC.
Rick
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a lot has changed ,benchrest has improved to the point where that would no longer be practical ,a large percentage of groups shot today are one hole , years ago a .250 would be a winning agg , even at a club level that is rare now ,to give perspective ,approx 85 records have been broken in the past 5 years by competitors all across Canada, the level of competition had risen dramatically in the last ten years to the point where usually only a few thousands separate the top shooters ,
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I'm glad we are having this conversation. There does seem to be a surge in .30 for score stuff going on in Thunder Bay and Nova Scotia right now. Only a couple years ago it was really hard to get .30 cal bullets in Canada. I think what made us in Kenora decide we were ready to start registering our matches is we became aware of the records by shooting group competition and hanging out with other BRSC members in Selkirk and Calgary. Our scores climbed to the point that we stood a chance at a record. One hurdle to growing registered Score shooting in Canada is all the different club rules. There is no willingness by clubs to standardize and adopt the NBRSA rule book for their score shooting which they do just for fun.
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I am pleased to advise the following shooters that the BRSC Record Committee has awarded each of them the following records in 2021:
June 12, 2021 Canadian Record Hugh Williamson
Unl. 100 Yards 5-Shot .1768" Aggregate
July 17, 2021 Canadian Record Vic Edmunds
Unl. 100 Yards 5-Shot .1720" Aggregate
July 17, 2021 Canadian Record Hugh Williamson
Unl. 100 Yards 5-Shot 1752" Aggregate
Aug. 29, 2021 Canadian Record Phil Nick
HV 200 Yards 249-9X
Note that Vic and Hugh both broke the existing record for Unlimited 5 Shot aggregate at 100 yds on the same day, both will receive certificates, only Vic will be entered in the record book.
Congratulation to each Shooter for a job well done! Certificates will be mailed out as soon as they are ready.
Rick
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Please see attached Record Book updated to Dec 31, 2021. Print a copy to keep in your tool box for the upcoming 2022 season.
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This is my most recent copy of BRSC records, somebody else will have to post the SORSA records:
BRSC 2006 Records (http://www.benchrest.ca/uploads/canadian_records.pdf)
I was picking up targets in 1981 when Bill Trommer shot that 0.523 group in the warm up at 300 yards.
Let me tell you about the conditions that group was shot in. The old Lethbridge range was in the river valley and faced east. We were shooting into the sun and nobody was able to see bullet holes, even when we asked others to spot them from an angle.
So Bill just picked a condition and tried to shoot through the same one I guess. You cannot chase a shot you cannot even see.
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Well it is certainly getting a lot harder to break records in the BRSC, but I am pleased to announce that Wayne Miller managed to shoot a .058" 5-shot group at 100 yards in the Unlimited Class back on June 11, 2022 at the Rosebud Heavy Iron Shoot. Kudos to Wayne on a job well done.
Updated 2022 record book is attached.
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thanks for the update rick.
congrats to the folks that have made the grade; tough to top for sure!
wondering if there are any records kept of the equipment used to shoot those groups?
also, i assume that all the group sizes are adjusted to moa at 100 yds, or are the numbers actual measurements at each distance?
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As far as equipment specific to each record we don't really maintain that information, although with a bit of digging it may be available. Pre internet days equipment lists were published in the BRSC newsletter that was mailed to members. Post internet days the equipment list was published online.
For the group shooting records, the single target records are noted in the measured group size on each target. The aggregate records are noted as an average of the 5 target's measurement in moa. Not a "true" moa since it is just divided by 2 for 200 yard aggregates, and divided by 3 for 300 yard aggregates. This sport is pre digital era and for simplicity they did not use the true moa (1.047" at 100 yards) to calculate scores. It was all calculated by hand back in the day.
Note any potential record targets are sent to a 3 person record committee who average their 3 measurements to give a final measurement for consideration against the existing record.
Hope that helps.
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thanks for the clarification rick. if anyone had any of the old newsletters i sure would like a chance to make copies, kind of a history buff on some of this stuff, lee
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I don't have paper copies, but I have digital copies. They are large files. I will see if I can get them in to a dropbox and send you a link.
Anybody else that wants a link to the dropbox can email me: rickpollock@shaw.ca
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I am pleased to report that the Records Committee has confirmed another record. This time it was shot by Hugh Williamson, it was a .149" 5-Shot group at 200 yards, shot in Sporter Class at the IBS Nationals held in Fairchance, Pennsylvania on August 15, 2022. This qualifies as a Canadian International Record. Kudos to Hugh!
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I am pleased to report 2 BRSC records shot in 2023.
June 11, 2023 Canadian Record Hugh Williamson
HV 200 Yards 5-Shot .1830" Aggregate
August 26/27 Canadian Record Phil Nick
Heavy Varmint for Score 499-21X Grand Aggregate
Well done to both shooters! Lets see more records fall in 2024!
Certificates will be sent out and teh records book updated.
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Please see updated BRSC Record Book as of the End of 2023.