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ORSA - Ontario Rifle Shooters Association / Re: ORSA July 25/26 Shoot
« on: July 17, 2026, 09:04:52 PM »
It sounds like you are interested in attending our benchrest match as a participant. If you have previous experience and are well aquatinted with the rules and routines but new to the area, we certainly welcome you.  And if not ? we still would be pleased to have you attend to see what we are all about. In either case, registration is Saturday morning and someone will be available to get you on a bench. If you have not experienced an organized match before, i highly recommend you do as i did. I drove to Elmira Saturday morning and spent most of the day watching. I discovered i was certainly not prepared for the regimented routines of a competitive match and i had been shooting benchrest in my much younger years. During a conversation at lunch, a participant said he had everything available to get me started. A visit later to his home and i aquired a nice Kelbly panda, dies, powder, some brass and loaded shells and assorted bits to get me started. In summary; we would be very pleased to have a new shooter join us for what we believe to be an incredible journey into one of the most challenging and addicting shooting sport there is.

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Club Events / Re: Rob Seemann at IBS Nationals
« on: July 11, 2026, 05:05:18 AM »
Congratulations Rob. An incredible achievement! In 54 years and countless attempts by many, very few have made it.

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Hi Biill. It has indeed been a long time! About 47 years long. And we looked very different all those years ago. But when I saw you it was easy to " connect the dots" because I often watch your YouTube channel! Anywhere I can learn to refine my basic machine skills on a lathe; is a channel I will subscribe to!
    It was a great shoot Bill! And the fact that you still shoot the same rifle from so many years ago, is really "cool". A word we used a lot in the 70's. I wonder how many shooters remember the Witchita Mini action. They were very accurate and unique. Anyway; keep getting to shoots Bill. I Still look forward to every one. And all the best.  Stan.

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It's always good to make memories. And the logistics of doing so can be daunting. Especially when we get older. But having lived in Calgary for many years, and also shooting at the Rosebud Range, I haven't forgotten the incredible scenery. My best friend of many years invited me to stay at their home on the west side of the city, and on the morning of our practice day; as I drove to the edge of their neighborhood,  the sun was shining on the snow covered mountains. I've looked at those mountains thousands of times but the view is about as spectacular as anything I've seen. And I'd forgotten ! Had to stop the car.
    The shooters at the Stampede Shootout, were friendly to a person and many offered assistance when needed. But Rick, Hugh and Rob Seeman  were there at every point at which I could use help. I hope they know how much I appreciated it. And a special thanks to Shawn with whom I shared a bench on Sunday. Made sharing easy and stress free.
   The clinic was a wealth of information. It was a significant reason for going out there but there were many others as well. These fellows can really shoot and one could learn just by watching what they do at the bench.
   In summary as I sit waiting for my plane's departure, the effort to make this happen is small compared to the adventure and the memories I will have. My thanks to everyone. Best regards to all. Stan

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The archives of the old Benchrest Newsletter, are a wealth of information and memories. And Bill; your memory is just fine. I knew I remembered meeting you. But it was a long time ago. And yes; seems you participated often at Namaka. Long drive or not. Some digging in the archives and I found this match. Stan.

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BRSC - Benchrest Shooters Canada / Re: Founding member of BRSC passes
« on: April 10, 2026, 09:51:13 AM »
There probably aren't too many who remember those shoots at Namaka. I was fortunate to have had a chance to attend a shoot at Namaka and meet some of the participants. I was a very recent transplant to Alberta, but a keen Benchrest shooter in Ontario. A novice to be sure. Setting up a new life in Calgary chewed up my finances pretty quickly and  I sold my rifle. Fully intending to return. One of my great regrets was missing all those years until resuming in 2019. I remember to this day shooting there and the banter amongst the chaps between relays. AL Murdock became a friend and obtained Terry Mcraken's bullets.for me. Almost 50 years ago
  I also wish I had not sold that rifle. No internet in those days but a magazine article fueled my interest and led me to a Camillus shoot. Seely Masker built the rifle with all the latest technology.
    I guess "when the rubber hits the road", regrets aren't helpful...but the memories are priceless.
     I've included some pictures of a 1980 shoot I attended. I found it in the archives of the old monthly Newsletter we recieved. Rick has made these avaliable to us. I guess to view these pics, one needs to touch the heading at the top of this thread. It shows all the participants at that shoot. One of whom is Jim Leeper.

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FYI. The World Benchrest championships begin this morning in St. Louis. Canada has a strong team representation and the results might be found on the website Benchrest Central heading: Competition Benchrest Only. Someone has posted a link that will be updated daily.

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Photo And Video Gallery / Re: Jack Neary - All Things Benchrest
« on: September 01, 2025, 07:18:56 AM »
I've read through my last post and realize the rather negative tone of that historical narrative accomplishes nothing positive. Benchrest shooting is very much alive! And in the context of our rapidly evolving world, the shooting sports have also evolved. The World Benchrest Championships ar just weeks away. It will have participants from all over the world. The Scandinativian counties enjoy a vigorous participation in Competition Benchrest shooting. And it will be interesting to see how many countries will participate.
    It's unrealistic for me to reminisce about the good old days when there are people working hard to start a new Benchrest Association in Southern Alberta. Those of us who are passionate about our sport can get involved on many levels. I would like to invite anyone interested in the Owen Sound and surrounding district  to get in touch with me. Text or call at 519-376-0657. We could meet at my range and I would do my best to show you around the equipment we use and where and how one could get started. If more than 1 person gets in touch, I'll ask our club if I can have a "clinic" where we can talk about all things Benchrest. Jeff is right! The fall is a great time to get together for some healthy competition.
   In summary, we're not going anywhere. It is a part of all the shooting sports and one I think you would find as fascinating and enjoyable as I do. Each of us  can contribute in ways to promote this incredible activity.
   And the wildcatted cartridge I called a .219 zipper... was the .219 Donaldson Wasp. I'm going to our range right now to try a new barrel. It's a beautiful cool morning here and  looking forward to getting out shooting.

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Photo And Video Gallery / Re: Jack Neary - All Things Benchrest
« on: August 28, 2025, 12:28:45 PM »
I've watched with interest; both videos posted on this new forum...Jack Neary-All things Benchrest. The opening comments are relevant in an important way. They are trying to make available their vast knowledge so that folks interested in shooting Benchrest for Group; will have a wealth of information to help those ew to our incredible shooting sport. Hopefully limiting the concerns one might have about getting started. When I was young, it seemed that I could find nothing more fascinating and addicting as it pertains to shooting; than shooting a group of 2 shots that actually touched each other. Perhaps it was in an Era of less avaliable TV to watch, or maybe more folks liked hunting " groundhogs", and maybe other so called Varmints from a long distance. There really wasn't even that many cartridges and rifles appropriate for this venture. As a young lad, I went with my dad to a home where the father and son had built rifles from falling block single shot actions. Chambered in .218 Bee, and 219 Zipper. Wilcatting cartridges was not uncommon. And if you hosted a Benchrest shoot, the turnouts were such that new ranges were being built to accommodate the increasing numbers of Benchrest participants. So what happened? Flash forward to today. In Ontario, at least 4 or 5 ranges that hosted big shoots..are no more. Our numbers are dwindling because the participants are aging. I'm sure Jack and hosting friends are noticing too. But yet; F-class seems to be growing. And for that I'm sure we are all pleased. It has its challenges, and rewards, similar very sophisticated equipment etc. Kelblys builds far more F-class actions than Benchrest actions. Not even close. Is it that there is no longer an interest in what some consider the apex of accuracy. Benchrest shooters are for sure very serious about shooting groups that measure less than .200" out of round. And many of us want to and do shoot groups even half that size. Regardless; I don't see much interest  anymore.
      So I see a club such as the Rosebud range in Alberta, hosting clinics and teaching sessions. And sometimes they even get a new participant. I know having shot there, that those folks took me "under their wing" and I was made to feel welcome. Shooters with significant Hall of Fame points, supplied and put out my wind flags. It works I think. And Jack and friends are trying to help feed whatever interest there is.
    I'm concerned. But I'm old!!! I'm just hoping we can continue to host shoots in this part of Ontario! I can say with certainty; that if Benchrest shooting dies here, it will leave a hole in my world that would swallow the Titanic. I can also say, that when I started shooting in competitions not more than 8 years ago, I did not know why the shooters were loading at the range. I knew nothing!!! I believed for at least a year, that it must be because the brass is hard to make, they only make a few so they can't preload. I had the desire but not the knowledge. Perhaps the greatest blessing was, I did not mind being in last place. As long as I was there. Folks started noticing I guess, and one fellow in particular, spent hours answering emails. Letters so long and detailed, that I have binder full and still refer to them. Tony Boyer's book I have read 8 times and counting.  Every spring I still go back to certain chapters.
    So if you "lurk" on this site, please consider reaching out to us. Visit a shoot and watch. Oh sure, we are busy and all serious looking when you see us at our loading benches. But we don't often have a lot if time between relays....however lunch is going to occur. And there are times when we can visit about stuff .Some of us even have guns and equipment to get a person started. I know that happened to me. Dave gave me everything I needed to start!!!!! And really reasonably priced too.
   In summary. I want to apologize for this long winded treatise. But I won't.  I really want those folks with interest, to think about trying! I'll leave it at that. Stan Walter.

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Rifles / SOLD Re: Stolle Panda dual port Benchrest rifle. PRICE REDUCED
« on: August 23, 2025, 09:10:57 AM »
Thanks for your enquiry. I'll put on this barrel. HWP barrel. 20 1/4", with a tuner currently tuned. Last shot June 23/25. See log. 910 shots fired and the last Grand aggregate on the above date was.2935". Throat looks good. See pic. This is a .268" neck chamber. Brass necks should be turned to .011" and I use a .262" bushing for a finished measurement of
.265" at the pressure ring. Rifle with barrel and 45X Sightron is under 10.5lbs. One needs a sizing die of appropriate dimensions but the chamber is cut with a Boyer pure magic reamer and a drawing can be seen at Pacific Tool and Guage website. I've enclosed pics of the barrel throat today and the log from its first shot.
    In summary, I'm not comfortable selling this rifle as is unless the buyer is somewhat familiar with what would be necessary to enjoy it. We really want new benchrest shooters to participate in our great sport and if a person has help from someone who is a familiar; the learning phase is fast. If I can find who bought my no-turn reamer, I'll recamber this barrel to a .274" neck and any 6ppc USA sizing die will work. No hassle with turning necks. Unfortunately I sold that reamer on this site about a year ago. Thanks again for your enquiry.

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Rifles / SOLD Stolle Panda dual port Benchrest rifle. PRICE REDUCED
« on: July 31, 2025, 12:16:21 PM »
SOLD...Stolle Panda, dual port, right bolt, left load, right eject, action. Bolt face accepts ppc and .308 rimmed cartridges. The rifle has the same carbon fibre paint as the rifle I sold recently and was my competiton rifle since 2022. Includes Jewell trigger and a barrel chambered in 6ppc with .268" neck. $2100 plus shared shipping cost. Price is negotiable. I'm in the Owen Sound, Ontario area.

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ORSA - Ontario Rifle Shooters Association / Re: Very Sad news today
« on: March 27, 2025, 07:06:31 AM »
Well spoken Brian! It was an honor to have known this incredibly accomplished man. He will missed!!

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ORSA - Ontario Rifle Shooters Association / Re: ORSA Shoot May-3-4
« on: March 22, 2025, 06:53:06 AM »
Great note Jeff. It will be great to get back to our favorite shooting sport! Not to mention warmer weather and an absence of copious dumps of heavy snow.
   It would be great to see one or more new shooters attend a shoot. And even better if they persevered. It is a challenging type of shooting but the pursuit of the small group can be very addictive.  I remember my first days which really weren't that long ago; and I'd like to share a few things I wish I'd known in advance. A guy or girl needs a rifle that can shoot and has done; a fairly small group. That little target we must hit on Saturday morning is 3.5 inches wide by 4.75 inches tall. So I'd try to have my rifle shooting close to the center. Having that first shot in the sighter ( lower target), settles the nerves and the game is on. We have 10 minutes for that first group. I remember also, the anxiety on Sunday when I had no idea how far up my scope need to be adjusted to hit that proportionately small target at 200 yds. If one has that knowledge in advance, that's very reassuring. I remember holding up the proceedings due to my mistakes and feeling quite bad. However; the patience of everyone there was very much a appreciated. I watched the routine and learned what to do and that occurred pretty quickly. Incidentally; for a 36X Leupold and now my other scopes too....it was 7 clicks up and I was in the box at 200 yds.j

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Great observations Rick. I wish we had more shooters becoming involved, but I also understand their reservations. Some of that might be the high cost of equipment. I sometimes wonder if after seeing a BAT actioned, carbon Fibre, low center of gravity, stock, mounting a very expensive scope; that a person feels there is no way they could ever afford that. And you have to have "that" to be competitive. So why bother. Not so! An old school rifle with a Panda or Farley action, can be very competitive. A good barrel is a must, but all my equipment is old school, and I like Sightron scopes. They work well. And a used 36X leupold, for example,  would be an excellent choice.I have seen some great, affordable, rifles for sale on this site. Much of what I use was made available by attending shoots and asking around if competitors had items they no longer use. Just go to a shoot and watch. Or if you have some more basic equipment; attend a shoot and try. How you place is not the goal. Just trying to shoot a small group each relay; is very rewarding. And the knowledge will grow with every attempt. And if the desire is there, you can make it work!

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Great post Rick. What a great way to introduce new shooters to our sport....and it appears to have been well attended. Once a shooter has a chance to actually shoot a dedicated benchrest rifle off a solid bench and state of the art rests, then sees the tiny group forming, it's hard to believe!. You want to do this again and again. Looks like the sport is growing in western Canada, no doubt due in part to the great range and shooters who help make this clinic and take time to promote Benchrest.

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I can't thank everyone enough for their contributions of effort to make our Benchrest Shooting happen at Elmira!  The volunteers, Brian and Jeff, but also the competitors who have taught me much, and whose friendship I value. Most have been at it for many years and have achieved incredible results. I feel fortunate to have met them all. Congratulations to Rob....a great shooter who has contributed in so many ways to this sport.
   Hope to see everyone next year. Stan.

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Fantastic video. Didn't notice the link before.
. Thanks for doing that and great shooting!

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Off Topic / Re: Came across some old history
« on: August 26, 2024, 01:09:59 PM »
Your note brings some old memories. In the late 70?s I owned 2 Shilen DGA rifles. They were both magazine rifles but with very nice walnut and a DGA action. The heavy varmint rifle was a 22-50 as I recall. So this class of Sporter Benchrest you write about, sounded interesting and my dad and I set about to make a very stiff action, stock setup. The DGA was already very stiff. Dad (a machinest), milled an aluminum block and a recess beneath the action in this highly figured stock. Into which we glued the block with appropriate holes for bolts already a part of the rifle. Ron Smith in 3 Hills, Alberta, had a reamer for what we called a 6X47. 222 magnum necked up to 6mm. I had a spare Hart barrel that Ron contoured so the rifle would make weight with scope. All of this was very soon after I moved out to Alberta. So many drawings, letters, and phone calls to dad in Ontario ensued. Wish I still had all this stuff.                                                                                         
   I believe the Sporter class still exists and is shot at the IBS Nationals as well as the NBRSA Nationals. Competitors shoot their light Varmint 6PPC. I may need to stand corrected as there may have been a limit on scope magnification back then. I'm only reaching into the memory banks 44-46 years.
   Just re reading this note. The bolt face I had would not have been appropriate for the cartridge I describe above. More likely it was a 22-250 necked up. Can't recall the finer details



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Centerfire Discussions / Re: 22 PPC Norma or Sako brass in Canada
« on: August 10, 2024, 03:29:23 PM »
Bill. Many of us have searched exhaustively for ppc brass. We prefer Lapua Russian brass for its metallurgy and flashole size, but my best efforts have been thwarted. Even when I found it in the US; they wouldn't ship to Canada.                                   
      Recently an interview of a Hall of Fame shooter; Jeff Pienhardt, revealed he forms his brass from 6.5 Grendel brass by Lapua. He makes his forming dies but I now do the same and have been successful with an appropriate bushing and a sizing die closely approximating my chambering reamer diemensions. After forming I machine my necks in a collet lathe, trim to the correct length and anneal the neck and shoulder again. I can do 100 brass relatively quickly and I no longer bother with the fireforming process. He shoots the first shot of virgin formed brass on the record target at major matches. I have found the finished case so close to my fired cases that I find the virgin brass as accurate. Careful forming of  your cases will have very little or no bullet runout. The 6mm ARC, Grendel, and ppc share the same base diemension. I have used Starline 6 mm ARC brass with good results but don't know if 25 would hold up in a 2 day shoot or National event. Lapua will. After this interview it seems that all of Lapua Grendel brass has now been found and purchased  I have found enough... but may be able to get 2 or 3 boxes of 100 Lapua 6.5 Grendel cases from a private vendor. I'm taking 2, and on spec and may buy the rest at the same price. I'm paying. $140/box.
   It would be great to see you shooting Benchrest again. Many years ago we shot in Namaka at a Shoot I believe Al Murdoch named "Super Shoot". I'm just starting back at this as well. 2019 was my first shoot in Elmira, Ontario. Stan.

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I have a no turn Manson reamer.  .274" neck. Really sharp and cuts a nice chamber.  I've only done 2 with it. I'd like $160 shipped. Text me at 519-376-0657. Stan

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